American Romantic Comedy: The Final List

Depression Era
1934: It Happened One Night: Claudette Colbert and Clark Gable
1938: Bringing Up Baby: Katharine Hepburn and Cary Grant
1939: Ninotchka: Greta Garbo and Melvyn Douglas
1940 (January): His Girl Friday: Rosalind Russell and Cary Grant
1940 (December): The Philadelphia Story: Katharine Hepburn and Cary Grant
1941: The Lady Eve: Barbara Stanwyck and Henry Fonda

Postwar Prosperity, the Cold War, and Civil Rights
1950: Born Yesterday: Judy Holliday and William Holden
1957: Desk Set: Katharine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy
1959: Pillow Talk: Doris Day and Rock Hudson
1960: The Apartment: Shirley MacLaine and Jack Lemmon
1964: Father Goose: Leslie Caron and Cary Grant
1966: How to Steal A Million: Audrey Hepburn and Peter Oโ€™Toole

Womenโ€™s Liberation and the Counterculture Revolution
1969: Cactus Flower: Ingrid Bergman and Walter Matthau
1971: A New Leaf: Elaine May and Walter Matthau
1972 (March): Whatโ€™s Up, Doc?: Barbra Streisand and Ryan Oโ€™Neal
1972 (December): Avanti: Juliet Mills and Jack Lemmon
1977: The Goodbye Girl: Marsha Mason and Richard Dreyfus
1978: House Calls: Glenda Jackson and Walter Matthau

The Me Generation: Corporations, Computers, and Condoms
1984: All of Me: Lily Tomlin and Steve Martin
1985 (March): The Sure Thing: Daphne Zuniga and John Cusack
1985 (October): Better Off Dead: Diane Franklin and John Cusack
1987: Roxanne (June): Daryl Hannah and Steve Martin
1987: Moonstruck (December): Cher and Nicholas Cage
1989: When Harry Met Sally: Meg Ryan and Billy Crystal

The Intertubes and Irrational Exuberance
1992: Love Potion No. Nine: Sandra Bullock and Tate Donovan
1995 (April): While You Were Sleeping: Sandra Bullock and Bill Pullman
1995 (May): French Kiss: Meg Ryan and Kevin Kline
1995 (July): Clueless: Alicia Silverstone and Paul Rudd
1997: Grosse Point Blank: Minnie Driver and John Cusack
1999: 10 Things I Hate About You: Julia Stiles and Heath Ledger

The Interwebs and Irrational Governance
2002 (August): My Big Fat Greek Wedding: Nia Vardalos and John Corbett
2002 (December): Two Weeks Notice: Sandra Bullock and Hugh Grant
2004: 50 First Dates: Drew Barrymore and Adam Sandler
2005: Hitch: Eva Mendes and Will Smith
2006: The Holiday: Kate Winslet and Jack Black
2007: Enchanted: Amy Adams and Patrick Dempsey

111 thoughts on “American Romantic Comedy: The Final List

  1. That’s a beaut of a list there. I’m 94.7% happy with it. I’ll refrain from complaining about my faves that didn’t make it. What’s done is done ๐Ÿ™‚

    Mostly I’m just happy Moonstruck is up there. I can sleep at night knowing that. Not that it was everin jeopardy, but I would have been tormented otherwise..

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    1. I know. I’m so exhausted from getting that far, somebody could probably sneak The Proposal on there and I wouldn’t notice.
      But not Sweet Home Alabama.

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    1. I hit my DVD shelves and Amazon and we’re set up for the first three months. The nice thing is that a lot of the old ones are really cheap.

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      1. For everyone who doesn’t want to buy a particular movie, don’t forget to check at your library. Lots of libraries have classic movies and most library systems will on interlibrary loans on A/V material.

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  2. Oh, geez, let’s try this again. “most library systems will do interlibrary loans on A/V material.”

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  3. Thanks for re-posting the list. Is it set in stone? I only ask — not as a complaint because I thought everyone did a great job of defining the list and Jenny did a great job of keeping track of the 4,096,340,051 comments — because before the post went wonky there were a few burning issues bubbling up, such as the question of frequency and Walter Matthau.
    1) Is switching Cactus Flower for Barefoot in the Park open for debate?
    2) Is Sandra Bullock on the list too much? (It may be me, but I’m getting a bit tired of seeing her everywhere I turn)
    3)What IS the debate over Indiana Jones? Inquiring minds want to know. And think about Indiana Jones…. ๐Ÿ™‚

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      1. I think she is. ๐Ÿ™‚ I have this mental image of Jenny doing the internet version of sticking her fingers in her ears and going “Lalalalala! I can’t hear you!”

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      2. No, no, we’re having issues here.
        I’m in deadline hell which means I don’t get to sleep until five in the morning, and for some reason on Saturday and Sunday Sweetness and Light had screaming fits at eight AM which means I’m navigating on no sleep and a lot of stress. Then I sat down tonight to finish my Glee essay and the DVD player broke. As in kaput. So, since I was cranky anyway, I yelled for Lani and she came down and said, “Did you check the batteries in the remote?” and I said, “Duh,” and she poked at it and said, “It’s dead, we’ll have to buy a new one.” And then she said, “I’d let you use the one upstairs in our apartment but it’s dead, too.” So now we have to budget for DVD players because we’ve kinda sorta promised to watch DVDs every Friday for the rest of our lives. Plus, I’ve got this essay that was due today, and I’ve got a book due June 1 (it is to laugh) and also, did I mention no sleep? So we stared into the abyss and got drunk.

        And that’s why I haven’t been answering the questions. What were the questions again? She said on no sleep and some significant amounts of rum and coke?

        Switch Cactus Flower. Hmmm. There is a lot of Walter on there, but Cactus Flower got a lot of love here. I kept trying to cut it and people kept dragging it back, so I think it counts as a class fave and it has to stay.

        Sandra Bullock. Love Potion #9 is great B movie rom com, and it ended up on the list because of the poll, so it has to stay. People were adamant about While You Were Sleeping, so that has to stay. Two Weeks Notice is the iffy one, but I think that’s one of those near misses where it might actually be good to say, “Okay, these people are very good and they had great chemistry so it must have been the script; what happened?” And I would like to point out that I held off a powerful last minute drive for the The Proposal so it could have been much worse.
        Debate over Indiana Jones: I think it’s a perfectly structured movie. Lani thinks the ending is a tragic failure. It’s okay, she’s wrong.

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        1. Can’t you play DVD’s on your laptops? We sit outside in lawn chairs, with popcorn (you know, in those great plastic popcorn cups you can get at Target…) sometimes roast marshmallows, and call it “Teeny Tiny Drive-In”.

          We use desktop speakers to augment the sound.

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          1. I can, but I need to use the laptop to make the notes while I watch so I can just cut and paste them in to the doc. I tried using pen and paper, but I type much faster than I can write.
            It’s okay. We’re going out for new ones today. Lani’s buying for upstairs and I’m getting the downstairs one. The girls will thrilled. NEW STUFF!

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        2. Well, I was teasing you, but now I feel like you both need a big “Poor baby!”
          Obviously, you’ve struck a passionate well with all of us, since this has been a blast and I’ve checked in probably 4 times a day to catch up. I even woke up last night and thought “Oh! We forgot Mr. and Mrs Smth!!”</i? (I happened to think that was very funny, and it's definately a story about the relationship. The action is important, but it's a side-effect of the characters.)
          But the list is really good. Now I have to figure out why my library card isn't in my purse…

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          1. Oh, I knew you were teasing. But I’d had a little to drink . . . drunk was probably overstating the case . . . so I just sort of rambled. You’re good.

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        3. I don’t know if your TV has an HDMI input place, but I plug my laptop into the TV all the time so that I can stream Netflix stuff for more than just myself. ๐Ÿ™‚

          If you can’t do that, I got my DVD player at Target for $25 a couple of years ago and it’s still going strong. So you could always do that so you don’t break your budget. ๐Ÿ™‚

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      1. She might be. And, I do liker her, I’m just kind of tired of her face at the moment. I don’t even own magazine subscriptions…

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  4. So here’s the tentative plan:
    We’ll put up a blog to keep all of this stuff organized in one place. On Monday, the post for the movie for that week will go up, on Friday we’ll watch it and do a podcast, and Saturday or Sunday, we’ll put a short reaction on the blog with a link to the podcast. I think. Still cogitating with Lani, but we’re going with what’s easiest.

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    1. Oh — do you have an estimated starting date? Not to be written in stone, but I was wondering how soon I needed to start requesting loans on some of these. I love our libary, but our loan system stinks.

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      1. First Friday in June is It Happened One Night.
        I have to run the blog past Lani, but then we’ll go live and it’ll all be on there. Basically, we’ll follow the list above in order, doing the live podcast every Friday night. Which Lani will handle because I don’t know how. And I’ll probably end up running the blog as my part.

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        1. Hooray, I have the DVD on reserve at the library. I’m excited to watch these older films I haven’t seen before. Especially a Clark Gable. Definitely yum, Gone With the Wind is one one of my all time faves, and sadly it’s the only movie I’ve seen him in. Time to expand my horizons ๐Ÿ™‚

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  5. I feel sorry for Minnie Driver. She’s the only woman on the list given second billing.

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  6. I have Avanti coming from Netflix today just because of this discussion. Somehow I missed seeing it. Looking forward to some popcorn and laughs.

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  7. Lovely list. I will admit that I was struck by the irony that decades labeled “Postwar Prosperity, the Cold War, and CIVIL RIGHTS [caps mine]” didn’t include a single person of color–but then I realized that as far as I can tell, the only entry anywhere with non-Caucasian actors is HITCH (2005). Not the list’s fault, but the sad reality of Hollywood.

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    1. Brown Sugar and Deliver Us From Eva were on there but didn’t make the cut. There were others I believe but they also are on the cutting room floor.

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    2. I was aware of that, and made sure that as soon as Hollywood started making other-than-white rom coms they got on there. I’d have to go back and look at the original lists but there were several on the list. The Best Man was one. But nobody fought for them, so . . .
      The great thing about Hitch is that it’s on there because people love it, not because we needed a black hero to be politically correct. But I agree, minorities are under represented.

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      1. I realized when we were pretty deep into it that nobody listed How Stella Got Her Groove Back. Not that I’m focused on Taye Diggs or anything.. but I love that movie!

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        1. Okay, to be a little less animalistic and a little more articulate about it that movie *to me* represented every negative stereotype of non-Caucasian romance all in one movie. AND it wasn’t funny despite having Whoopie Goldberg in it. And as for Taye Diggs I couldn’t really get past the extreme immaturity of his character to find him attractive in an actual leading man sort of way.

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          1. Being immature myself I’m somewhat immune to it ๐Ÿ™‚ True though I guess there wasn’t a ton of comedy in it now that I think about it, and I’m not sure of the stereotypes, it’s likely I’m just ignorant, but I don’t usually delve to deep into RomComs either compared to other movies, they’re like a mini vacation for my mind ๐Ÿ™‚

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          2. We were talking about How Stella Got Her Grove Back under the question about non-white rom-coms. I haven’t seen it, but Shiloh said it was more of a personal journey story.

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        2. Is Stella a rom-com? I haven’t seen it, but I’ve always assumed because of it’s title that it was a journey of the self story.

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          1. It is (self journey-ish).. I wasn’t over thinking that one, just remembered I liked it and that Taye Diggs was in it lol

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          2. Oh, how Stella Got Her Groove Back Stella. I thought you were talking about another movie called Stella.
            Never mind.

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      2. Aww, now I wish I’d spoken up for Boomerang – it was funny, sexy and had a killer soundtrack. I still crack up at Grace Jones giving “birth” to that perfume and how great is Halle Berry’s “Love should have brought your ass home last night!”

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  8. Woohoo!! My netflix queue just got a whole lot longer, though I must admit that I’ve already seen just about everything in the 2000s & the Depression Era. I’m 24, so that either makes me really old or really young.

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  9. It really is a great list. (But…) But-but-but… Julia Roberts, Sandra Bullock and Meg Ryan have dominated rom-coms since the late 80s/early 90s… and there’s no Julia. Why the minor Love Potion No. Nine and not Pretty Woman? *rends garments* (I probably missed a big discussion on this, didn’t I…?)

    I also think 50 First Dates is possibly the worst of Drew’s movies, but I love her anyway. And I would have preferred You’ve Got Mail or Sleepless in Seattle to French Kiss, cos Nora Ephron’s so great (glad about WHMS, which is probably my favourite film ever). I may be the only person who violently hates The Holiday, too. But! I am looking forward to hearing your and Lani’s take on all of these. And I’d run not walk to buy a book on the topic if you do write one. ๐Ÿ™‚

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    1. Diane,
      To sum up the debate on Pretty Woman I think the final reason from cutting it was that it had humorous moments, but wouldn’t be defined by the commedy. There were likers and dislikers in the debate, but if I read and recalled the comments correctly, the humor level wasn’t focused enough. It was deemed more straight-romance.
      There was great division over You’ve Got Mail in terms of the ending, and Sleepless in Seattle was cut since it talked about romance, but not enough time was focused on the couple getting together and the commedy evolving out of that. IOW, they didn’t have enough time on screen together.

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    2. I just don’t see the humor everyone else seems to in either You’ve Got Mail or Sleepless in Seattle but I walk around quoting French Kiss all the time. Of course you know eachother, all you bastards know eachother! – never gets old!

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      1. Really? I saw it once and that was enough. Thought Kline pretending to be French was stupid and I hate “caper” movies, which overrode any rom or com for me.

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    3. I’m also sad that 50 First Dates made it but The far superior Wedding Singer didn’t even though they’re from different eras.

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          1. Oh! Sorry. I forced my non-caffeinated mind to do the math. That’s when all this will be over, eh?

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          2. Because we’re going down the list in order. And she doesn’t want us to get into it till then ๐Ÿ™‚ These topics can only handle so many of our comments at a time as we’ve discovered lately…

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        1. Day after my birthday! OK, I’ll be ready. Or hungover. One of those ๐Ÿ˜‰
          Doesn’t 50 First Dates have a burping Walrus that Adam Sandler talks to/with? I don’t like enormous mammals with digestive troubles in my rom-coms, I think that’s my problem.

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    4. I’ve never seen The Holiday so I’m trusting everybody here.
      I think You’ve Got Mail is abysmal, a complete miss, but I’ve ranted about it other places so I won’t go into it.
      Sleepless in Seattle is great, but it’s not about the romance, it’s about two people working through their problems so that when they finally meet at the end of the movie, they’re ready to start a romance. I love it, but it’s not a romance.
      Love Potion #9 is a B movie, but that doesn’t mean it’s not good rom com (although it’s been years since I’ve seen it, so I may be retracting that). Also, it got voted on the list in the poll.
      No Pretty Woman because it wasn’t a romcom.

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      1. I thought The Holiday was kinda sweet when I saw it — or it had moments that were kinda sweet — but then my opinion was swayed by all the people who said “Yeah, but if you watch it a second time it isn’t so hot.” I think they might be right.
        How can you address the ‘outstanding’ criterion of a DVD if you’re watching this corny-u-copia of DVDs every week? You’ll never have a chance to go back and review.
        Sometimes a movie looks funny at first glance, but it’s only a superficial attraction — kinda like a guy you meet at the bar who laughs at your jokes but after the second — or may it’s the third or fourth, oh hell who’s counting — kamikaze, you suddenly realize that it’s 4 am and your knickers are hanging from the chandelier and damn it this guy really isn’t that cute after all.
        Um… hypothetically speaking.

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        1. Merry the CB, maybe Jenny would can put up a weekly poll at the end and we can evaluate whether it held up the second time around. I did wonder that when we got to some I hadn’t seen in a while. Of course, we might break the blog beyond repair…..

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          1. I just watched The Holiday, and I thought it was very sweet! Some non-traditional Romance Heros, and a set-up I would totally do (house-switch . . . anyone want to do it this January (-:? I’ve got a log house with three cats in Northern Japan.) I would totally watch it again for this project (-:. Or for any reason, really.

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      2. Well, I’ll be interested to see what you think about The Holiday, cos it’s FAR less rom-com than Pretty Woman (and far less well-acted and produced) (and I just hated it, in fact, found the female characters drippy and the men uncharming and the dialogue rubbish.) (I think the only reason people like it is the houses).
        I still think Julia Roberts shoulda been voted in somewhere. (I loved My Best Friend’s Wedding. There, I said it.)
        I’ll give Love Potion No. 9 a try but I don’t feel hopeful. I do like Sandra Bullock a lot, though.

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      3. i love love love The Shop Around the Corner and, trust me, Tom Hanks *ain’t no* Jimmy Stewart. The sweet desperation of the original is blunted in the remake by both writing and cast.

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        1. Ah well, I never saw the original, and think re-makes should be judged on their own merits anyway. Yeah, James Stewart was a one-off, but I love Hanks and Ryan (and co-stars Greg Kinnear and Parker Posey). I think the writing is great, tooโ€”Ephron really captured 2 cultural zeitgeists (the internet age of communication and the death of small businesses) before other mainstream writer-directors were thinking about either. And her visual portrayal of NYC is so gorgeous. I only have a problem at the end, where she’s kind-of grateful his corporate behemoth ruined her family business and now they can be together and she can write a book. That’s a bit ick, a bit “corporations FTW”.

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          1. Here’s my problem: They set up that store as representing her mother, her family (the workers there), her mission in life–she was wonderful bookseller who took real joy in matching books to kids–and he destroyed it when he didn’t have to. He had all the power, and he took her life from her. And then at the end, she betrayed her mother and her family and work and said, “Oh, well, I kind of wanted to write children’s books anyway” which came from out of left field. I hated him for what he did to her, and I hated her for rolling over. That’s not romance. Go over to the Lucy March blog. They’re talking about marriage today (Wed. 19) and I can guarantee you every woman commenting on that blog would look at the end of that movie and know that marriage is going to end bitterly. I figure a couple years into the marriage, she’s going to wake up, realize what he did to her solely for profit, and kill him in his sleep.

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      4. I just thought the Holiday wasn’t well written. And Cameron Diaz made me want to throw something at somebody in a totally non-healthy way. Interested to hear what you think when/if you see it.

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    1. The four that are right? Are they? Moonstruck, The Philadelphia Story, When Harry Met Sally, and It Happened One Night?

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      1. Yep.
        Then they ran off the road. Well, they picked Adam’s Rib instead of Desk Set, so I’ll give them that one; we were pretty much tossing a coin.

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      2. I think you’re right AngelFire — and Adam’s Rib too. City Lights is part of the clown tradition. Romantic, but NOT rom-com.

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    2. I totally get what you’re saying Jenny, but I don’t think it came from left fieldโ€”she talked earlier in the film about whether she would really do something with her life (instead of just carrying on the family business) and writing a book doesn’t come from nowhere, with her knowledge and love of literature. He too is carrying on his father’s business, and that means something to him. He believes in offering cheap books for the masses in a huge, comfortable storeโ€”and I like those shops as much as anyone. I do agree that he is unrepentant and ruins her business and that’s an awkward set-up for a relationship! The set-up is a bit off and I’d prefer a better ending for her. But I still love the acting and dialogue and shots of NY.

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  10. Will we be able to download the podcasts? That way we wouldn’t miss them if we couldn’t participate live.

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        1. I don’t think so since they’ll be free. Even if you do, it’s free to set up the account. This is really a Lani question. I’ll ask her later.

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  11. That is a wonderful list, but I, too, miss having The Wedding Singer on there. Also, I cannot believe that I forgot to nominate So I Married An Axe Murderer (1993). Ah well, that’s what I get for being late to the party.

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  12. I look forward to an entertaining and educational time. ๐Ÿ™‚ Sorry LA Story didn’t make it, but I’ve seen it and almost everything else here will be new to me. Should be some fun!

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  13. I’m just so happy that we will all be watching romcoms together. Now I have to figure out how to participate in a podcast… (so not a techie).

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    1. Is is like a radio where people call in? I didn’t think they worked that way, but I don’t really know. I didn’t think people could listen in “real time.” I assumed they were taped first then just filed on the website, but I’m not a techie either.

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      1. I’ll get Lani in here to explain it. We made a deal, I’d run the blog and she’d do the techie stuff. I’m almost positive you can listen in real time, but I’ll get her in here to explain.

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  14. This list is a great idea! Now, I’m really excited to watch some of older movies I’ve never seen. I can’t find A New Leaf on dvd, though, so I guess I’ll be skipping that one.

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    1. I just looked on Amazon and it’s not on there which breaks my heart. Does anybody out there know where you can get it? I think I have it on DVD so it was issued once. If we can’t find it, we’ll have to replace it, which would be terrible. Because you NEED to see that movie.

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  15. How did all this get started,anyway. I think I must have fallen asleed sometime last week and when I woke up we were in the middle of list making. And now I know there are podcasts. Which I may or may not be able to participate in if I’m available when they are going on. But just HOW did this all get started?

    I probably knew, and now have forgotten – I’m old now. (originally written as I mold now – which I think is the same thing.)

    And how in the world are you getting any work done, Jenny??? I’m having trouble just keeping up with the comments,and I don’t have to THINK about them!

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  16. OK, this has nothing to do with RomComs, but I went into the Post Office today and asked for “pretty stamps”. I didn’t get pretty, but I did get Gary Cooper, so “visually appealing” is now on my letters (and bills).

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  17. Hey, everyone! We’re still ironing out the details, but here’s the basic information:

    1. A podcast is basically a radio show broadcast over the internet rather than over radio waves.

    2. You will be able to download it through iTunes, or your favorite podcast aggregator. If you don’t know what a podcast aggregator is, worry not. You will also be able to go to the website where we will have a link to the file that you can download directly.

    3. There will be no live broadcast; we considered that, but it’s too much work, and I’m too lazy. So, we will watch the movies on Friday nights, record the podcast on Friday nights, and then the podcast will be available for download sometime Saturday.

    4. You will be able to subscribe to an RSS feed to tell you when the new show is available or you can follow the Twitter account PopcornDialogues at http://twitter.com/PopcornDialogue

    We’ll announce more as we get going on it. If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me at podcast@popcorndialogues.com and I’ll answer what I can! Looking forward to it!

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  18. Who’d have thought Walter Matthau would be the romcom king of the
    seventies? Go figure. And I liked him in Grumpier Old Men with Sophia too.

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  19. I like the list. It has movies I love, movies I’ve never seen and movies I’m unsure about but willing to watch again. Great job!

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  20. Something’s Gotta Give did not make the cut . Oh well. This a quote:
    This is really fascinating, what’s going on at this table. Let’s take you and Erica. You’ve been around the block a few times. What are you, around 60? 63. Fantastic! Never married, which as we know, if you were a woman, would be a curse. You’d be an old maid, a spinster. Blah, blah, blah. So instead of pitying you, they write an article about you. Celebrate your never marrying. You’re elusive and ungetable, a real catch. Then, there’s my gorgeous sister here. Look at her. She is so accomplished. Most successful female playwright since who? Lillian Hellmann? She’s over 50, divorced, and she sits in night after night after night because available guys her age want something-forgive me, they want somebody that looks like Marin. The over-50 dating scene is geared towards men leaving older women out. And as a result, the women become more and more productive and therefore, more and more interesting. Which, in turn, makes them even less desirable because as we all know, men- especially older men- are threatened and afraid of productive, interesting women. It is just so clear! Single older women as a demographic are about as fucked a group as can ever exist.

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    1. The Fun Starts at 50

      The researchers asked 340,000 American men and women aged between 18 and 85 how contented they were with their life.
      They were also asked how often they experienced specific emotions such as happiness, enjoyment, stress and worry.
      Levels of stress and anger dip from our early 20s and continue to decline throughout life. Worry, however, continues to be a problem until our 50s, when it begins tail off.
      Happiness and enjoyment begin to rise at a similar age and are still on the up at 85 – the oldest age studied.

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279257/Life-begin-40-fun-really-starts-50.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz0oKnEcoe0

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279257/Life-begin-40-fun-really-starts-50.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

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  21. (-: I love this project! There are so many of these movies I haven’t seen . . . and I’m finding some of the best parts of reading books is finding like-minded people to discuss them with . . . I’m sure that’s going to hold true for watching movies, too!

    I’m lucky the Japanese are such movie freaks; I bet I’ll be able to find most of the recs on the list.

    (-: Next project: world’s worst romcoms? LOL! Save that for another year . . . .

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  22. Hi – I haven’t caught up today with the latest comments, but is there a quick spot for us to check to see the schedule of which movies to watch and when? I know you mentioned which was first, and I don’t remember which it was. Thanks.

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    1. Yep. We’ll put the site up shortly and it’ll all be on there. And by shortly, I mean probably by tomorrow. We were out of town today and got nothing done but I finally ripped the broken Twitter feed off the site and now it’s almost ready to go.

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